makefu changed the topic of #nixos-wiki to: Welcome to the *unofficial* nixos wiki | https://nixos.wiki | chat logs: https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-wiki/
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<nixoswikibot> [[Proxmox Linux Container]] N https://nixos.wiki/index.php?oldid=2331&rcid=2352 * Samueldr * (+3008) Inits page with rough~ish notes
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<samueldr> 🤔
<nixoswikibot> [[Proxmox Linux Container]] M https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=2332&oldid=2331&rcid=2353 * Samueldr * (+5) markdown: go away!
<nixoswikibot> [[Proxmox Linux Container]] M https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=2333&oldid=2332&rcid=2354 * Samueldr * (+21) rephrases/* CLI operations */
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<makefu> by the power of OP
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<nixoswikibot> [[Workgroup:Container]] ! https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=2334&oldid=2288&rcid=2355 * Zimbatm * (+702) Add list of docker images from https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nixos-docker-images-are-quite-old/172/4
<zimbatm> ^ let me know if it's the wrong place for the edit
<makefu> i think it is fine, it is a wiki after all :)
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<samueldr> by the power of OP?
<samueldr> ah, operator
<makefu> yep
<samueldr> I wondered how it was related to the page I wrote
<makefu> haha, no the kick was after the page
<makefu> you are using proxmox?
<samueldr> trying it, nixos containers don't work exactly how I like, and I still need to, sometimes, run non-nixos containers
<samueldr> while also having qemu virtualization
<samueldr> for right now, I have to say it's not bad, though it has some rough edges
<samueldr> ideally, I would have liked to use an interface for libvirt under a nixos host, but I didn't find anything that worked well enough (for web-based interfaces) and had issues with LXC+libvirt on nixos
<samueldr> though the qemu bits worked fine
<samueldr> oh, and templates, it was a chore to always start from scratch
<samueldr> (though maybe some of the issues are because I didn't use it the right way?)
<makefu> actually i've never heard of the move towards containers in proxmox. i always thought of it as a vmware-*light*. but it is quite cool to see them moving into the future
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<nixoswikibot> [[IGVT-g]] ! https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=2335&oldid=2330&rcid=2356 * Gnidorah * (+0) 
<Mic92_> are container the future or VMs? Or Container in VMs?
<samueldr> the future is running your code on someone else's computer :D
<samueldr> though, I have no strong opinions for or against *in general*
<samueldr> both have their places
<samueldr> and that's for "system containers", not docker-like containers
<fadenb> Mic92_: Yes
<fadenb> ;)
<fadenb> From what I gather at customers (usually large and very very enterprise style it) containers are coming but it will take years
<fadenb> At one customer they are currently training staff on docker but at the same time security forbids the use of docker :P
<samueldr> hah
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<joepie91> Mic92_: they solve different problems really
<Mic92_> joepie91: yeah, most people are using containers as a substitition for their otherwise bad package manager.
<joepie91> that, too :)
<Mic92_> they don't even enable namespaces from time to time
<joepie91> Mic92_: I've found that a shockingly small amount of people understands the distinction between dependency isolation and runtime isolation...
<joepie91> including people building package managers
<joepie91> (as in, some of them don't understand this distinction)
<joepie91> with the result that people try to solve dependency isolation by applying runtime isolation
<joepie91> but runtime isolation is much more expensive to solve...
<joepie91> actually, let's not get too deep into a rant :)
<joepie91> I'm in a slightly sour mood given that I've just had a dependency maintainer yell at me over a perfectly valid security advisory
<joepie91> and wrongly claiming that there 'has never been a vulnerability'
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