makefu changed the topic of #nixos-wiki to: Welcome to the *unofficial* nixos wiki | https://nixos.wiki | chat logs: https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-wiki/
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<ixxie> samueldr, makefu - as I find myself getting the same feedback again for my packaging mistakes, I think it would be great to create a packaging checklist on the wiki
<ixxie> I saw you recently setup https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Packaging and I thought it might fit there but it also seems to be designed as a parent page?
<ixxie> what do you think?
<makefu> you mean for packaging and putting it upstream?
<makefu> i also created a namespace for nixpkgs with the different topics for managing packages: https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Nixpkgs#Subpages
<makefu> it seems like "update" and "create" have the same intro section with the whole git clone thingy
<ixxie> makefu: hmm well for packaging for nixpkgs I suppose
<makefu> maybe create it under the nixpkgs namespace and create link on the "packaging" meta page
<makefu> or the other way round
<makefu> but i think it is a good thing to have!
<ixxie> hmm
<ixxie> it seems a bit confusing now
<ixxie> makefu: because to me this is more about *builds* then *packages* in a way
<ixxie> or if I would call it packaging its ad-hoc
<ixxie> its a very important topic and I wish I had access to this when I began
<makefu> then we have to make it prominent
<ixxie> the question is where is the line between packaging and building or if we call it something else what is it?
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<makefu> i wouldn't even know what the difference is tbh ... i always thought that packaging is creating build recipes
<makefu> and building is actually instantiating the recipe
<nixoswikibot> [[Hydra]] M https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=2119&oldid=2101&rcid=2139 * Fadenb * (+0) /* Imperative Building */ change example to current stable version
<nixoswikibot> [[Nix]] M https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=2120&oldid=2114&rcid=2140 * Fadenb * (+0) /* Channels */ bump stable channel to 18.03
<nixoswikibot> [[Nixpkgs]] M https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=2121&oldid=2075&rcid=2141 * Fadenb * (+0) /* Channels */ bump stable channel to 18.03
<nixoswikibot> [[NixOS]] M https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=2122&oldid=2035&rcid=2142 * Fadenb * (+0) /* Channels */ bump stable channel to 18.03
<makefu> maybe we need a template for this :D
<fadenb> :p
<nixoswikibot> [[REFInd]] https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=2123&oldid=2001&rcid=2143 * Fadenb * (-13) /* Installation */ change wording of version note
<zybell_> wiki/Nixpkgs contains a 17.09 that should be updated.
<nixoswikibot> [[Nix Channels]] https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=2124&oldid=1838&rcid=2144 * Fadenb * (+0) /* The official channels */ fix references to stable version to 18.03
<zybell_> sorry,was my cache.
<fadenb> :) feel free to change any other occurrences you find that refer to stable version
<ixxie> makefu: builds can be designed for local use, packaging is designed for distribution
<ixxie> it seems to me the nixpkgs namespace is about packaging and what is currently called packaging is about builds because a lot of those tchniques are not about distributable build specs, they are about builds
<makefu> ixxie: ah okay, i haven't thought about it like that
<makefu> i think we can rename the namespaces
<ixxie> makefu: not sure if these are the best names though
<ixxie> maybe there are better ways to talk about these things
<makefu> it is not like the whole nix* eco-system is already difficult enough to get :D
<ixxie> I do think it may be better to market Nix as a build framework instead of a package manager
<makefu> it just so much more than just a package manager
<ixxie> yeah
<ixxie> that is why I think build system is more apt
<ixxie> when I finally get around to finalizing the Nix ecosystem branding RFC I can propose that
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<makefu> Reaktor|krebs: tell ixxie regarding your checklist, i've found that we already have some scattered info for different stuff in the wiki ( https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Python#Contribution_guidelines )
<Reaktor|krebs> Consider it noted.
<Mic92> I would say a nix is not a build system
<Mic92> Integration of build systems is also not a unique feature of nix actually. It is just more sophisticated compared to the deb/rpm world.
<zybell_> as far as sw goes it is a buildsystem comparable to PKGBUILD. That it can do stuff comparable to chef,puppet,ansible is a bonus.
<Mic92> in addition to pacman, build are also isolated with sandboxes
<zybell_> it does not build for distribution like deb/rpm. That is hydras job.
<Mic92> well it can, kind of
<zybell_> sandboxes are a feature that changes nothing in the basic task.
<zybell_> nix alone can not produce a result, that another nix would import. Or do I miss sth?
<nixoswikibot> [[REFInd]] M https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=2125&oldid=2123&rcid=2145 * Samueldr * (-3) Re-words with proper tense; we can remove the note nearer to september IMHO