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<bqv> Hmm. I get the feeling my messages didn't come through from matrix.
<bqv> > I vote no
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<JJJollyjim> i didn't see any messages on matrix
<bqv> > Its useful to see the individual packages, and also I do not use/want emacsWithPackages
<{^_^}> error: syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting ')', at (string):312:42
<bqv> > In fact that would literally make what I'm currently trying to do impossible
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<JJJollyjim> oh, you show as an irc user to me
<bqv> > for reference, the main problem i have with WithPackages is that i have such long-running emacs sessions, and it means that to install a new package i do have to rebuild my system and restart emacs. with my flow and packages installed to the system site-lisp, i can just add the new package, maybe update load paths, and then just use it. and if i play my cards right, i might even be able to
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<bqv> automate that addition on an emacs daemon with an activation script
<bqv> Yeah this is my irc account, matrix me is bqy
<JJJollyjim> ah right
<adisbladis> bqv: The way I'm thinking is: emacsPackages makes it easy to accidentally load packages for the wrong version and accidentally mix things in the same closure
<adisbladis> I'm doing a lot of Nix/Python hacking where this is a pretty huge problem
<bqv> Its true, but thats almost a feature
<adisbladis> At the very least I want to get rid of the unversioned emacsPackages
<adisbladis> I've seen a lot of builds in the python ecosystem looking like `{ python3, pythonPackages }: buildPythonApplication {}`
<adisbladis> Hm, maybe tacking on packages as a a passthru attr?
<adisbladis> emacsPackages -> emacs.pkgs
<bqv> Yeah, I guess that works
<adisbladis> I've wanted to do the same for python, where python.pkgs is already a thing
<adisbladis> Stop using pythonPackages/python2Packages/whatever have one attr that's the source of truth
<bqv> The thing is, it will break many configs and packages
<bqv> But I agree it should be done
<adisbladis> Yes, first soft-deprecate with a trace message for a release or two
<bqv> This naming nest is a mess
<adisbladis> No need to hurry this along
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<bqv> that's problematic...
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<bqv> transient error too, cause it downloads ok for me
<bqv> should probably default to the previous version if it fails
<bqv> or would that be a bad idea...
<bqv> hmm
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