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<colemickens> cole-h: you around?
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<colemickens> I am trying to add a flake.nix to a project and am getting `flake ... does not provide attribute 'packages.x86_64-linux.test', 'legacyPackages.x86_64-linux.test' or 'test'` but I think that's true of all of my flake.nix files, so I'm confused why I'm getting it.
<colemickens> cole-h: but I noticed you've accounted for this in pass-rs by adding a test attribute but I Don't really get why it's needeD?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #106028 → insomnia: 2020.4.2 -> 2020.5.1 → https://git.io/JInMd
<colemickens> haha never mind, I was making a silly mistake, I guess it's just a coincidence that you have that test attribute in there
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @buckley310 opened pull request #106029 → [20.09] gnomeExtensions.dash-to-panel: 38 -> 40 → https://git.io/JInyJ
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @cdepillabout merged pull request #105996 → haskellPackages.essence-of-live-coding: Fix dependency → https://git.io/JIZbI
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<{^_^}> [nix-pills] @jonringer merged pull request #162 → Update 11-garbage-collector.xml → https://git.io/JIny2
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @SuperSandro2000 merged pull request #106028 → insomnia: 2020.4.2 -> 2020.5.1 → https://git.io/JInMd
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @SuperSandro2000 merged pull request #106027 → i3-layout-manager: unstable-2019-12-06 -> unstable-2020-05-04 → https://git.io/JInis
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @SuperSandro2000 merged pull request #106001 → qutebrowser: 1.14.0 -> 1.14.1 → https://git.io/JIZjB
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<{^_^}> [nixos-homepage] @github-actions[bot] pushed commit from GitHub Actions to master « Update flake.lock and blogs.xml [ci skip] »: https://git.io/JIn5I
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @trepetti opened pull request #106032 → marker: init at 2020.04.04 (backport to 20.09) → https://git.io/JIndF
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<jophish> supersandro2000: thanks for merging
<jophish> also, do you think it's clearer to inline 'versionNoDots'
<jophish> (in the nvidia beta PR)
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<supersandro2000> please always link the PRs you are talking about. I don't remember everything I comment
<supersandro2000> I am not the biggest fan of let in and in this case we can inline it without sacrificing readability.
<supersandro2000> I do not really care about line length in src URLs
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @SuperSandro2000 merged pull request #105967 → python3Packages.milc: init at 1.0.10 → https://git.io/JIZtp
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @SuperSandro2000 merged pull request #105978 → pijul: 1.0.0-alpha.11 -> 1.0.0-alpha.17 → https://git.io/JIZRe
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @zowoq opened pull request #106036 → .github/workflows: build NixOS/Nixpkgs manuals → https://git.io/JInN5
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<jophish> Sorry, yeah that's the right PR
<jophish> But I care about line length in URLs, especially when they contain antiquities.
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<jophish> supersandro2000: What's wrong with using let bindings?
<supersandro2000> jophish: nothing if it is not blown up
<supersandro2000> eg if you are using let in for pname and version and then inherit you just increase complexity
<supersandro2000> use pname and version in rec is simpler and easier to understand
<jophish> Ok sure, but that's not what's happening here
<jophish> I thought that at a glance it's easier to see that these string manipulations are removing the dots if it's named appropriately
<supersandro2000> and in your PR we just make it more complex than necessary
<supersandro2000> for me it is clear in both cases but the later is just a bit shorter
<supersandro2000> and 111 line length is fine
<supersandro2000> let in should probably be used if you replace it multiple times or you need to replace many variables and the string is like 200 chars long
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<jophish> I replied on the issue. I don't agree I'm afraid
<supersandro2000> then I wont merge 🙃
<supersandro2000> if someone else wants to merge it feel free but I only merge PRs I feel good about merging
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jtojnar pushed 67 commits to staging-next: https://git.io/JInp2
<supersandro2000> the bot is targeting a lot of staging today...
<hexa-> I need to inject the current date into a variable thats used by substituteAll, how would I eval the date command into a var?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #106037 → ktlint: 0.39.0 -> 0.40.0 → https://git.io/JInjv
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<cole-h> hexa-: math ontop of builtins.currentTime
<cole-h> > builtins.currentTime
<{^_^}> 1607222803
<cole-h> At least, that's how I'd do it
<hexa-> and if I need something more like
<hexa-> Sun 06 Dec 2020 03:47:55 AM CET
<hexa-> I mean, sure … unix ts is better than NULL
* cole-h can't remember if substituteAll is the Nix function or the bash function
<cole-h> If it's the Nix function (e.g. used for replacing @asdf@ automatically), then I'd use the bash function in one of the phases
<cole-h> I can't remember the exact syntax, but that'd let you eval `date +format` and substitute it
<hexa-> hm
<hexa-> yep, the nix one
<hexa-> awh fck this, itll be the timestamp
<hexa-> i don't care enough
<hexa-> cole-h++
<{^_^}> cole-h's karma got increased to 113
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<infinisil> > isoEpoch
<{^_^}> <LAMBDA>
<infinisil> > isoEpoch builtins.currentTime
<{^_^}> value is an integer while a string was expected, at /var/lib/nixbot/lib/iso.nix:21:12
<infinisil> Oh
<infinisil> > isoEpoch "2020-12-06"
<{^_^}> { success = true; value = <CODE>; }
<infinisil> > :p isoEpoch "2020-12-06"
<{^_^}> { success = true; value = 1607212800; }
<infinisil> Wrong way around :P
<hexa-> hrhr
<infinisil> > :p isoEpoch "2020-02-27"
<{^_^}> { success = true; value = 1582761600; }
<infinisil> > :p isoEpoch "2020-02-30"
<{^_^}> undefined variable 'daysForMonth' at /var/lib/nixbot/lib/iso.nix:46:133
<infinisil> > :p isoEpoch "2020-02-30"
<{^_^}> undefined variable 'daysForMonth' at /var/lib/nixbot/lib/iso.nix:46:30
<infinisil> Ugh
<infinisil> Ugh
<infinisil> > :p isoEpoch "2020-02-30"
<{^_^}> { success = false; value = "30 is not a valid day, this month only has 29 days"; }
<infinisil> There, it's smart!
<hexa-> cnice
<hexa-> your karma is already through the roof
<hexa-> please stawp
<infinisil> :P
<hexa-> well, I feel like an idiot
<hexa-> could've just used substituteInPlace
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-burns closed pull request #106023 → nixos/manual: fix mismatched tags → https://git.io/JIn2a
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam merged pull request #106022 → k9s: 0.24.1 -> 0.24.2 → https://git.io/JInEM
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam merged pull request #106037 → ktlint: 0.39.0 -> 0.40.0 → https://git.io/JInjv
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam merged pull request #104647 → pythonPackages.pykdl: fix build with latest SIP → https://git.io/JkKqU
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @marsam merged pull request #106024 → hwloc: 2.3.0 -> 2.4.0 → https://git.io/JInwN
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @breakds opened pull request #106039 → pythonPacakges.clickhouse-driver: init at 0.1.5 → https://git.io/JIcLE
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @RaghavSood merged pull request #105968 → clickhouse: 20.5.2.7 -> 20.11.4.13 → https://git.io/JIZqM
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<veleiro> hello
<simpson> Evening.
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<iqubic> I am quite perplexed now. A recent update to Firefox has completely removed all my extensions. Appearantly something changed, and I now can't have manual extensions with nix extensions?!?! I'm on Unstable if that helps anyone.
<iqubic> What's going on here?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #106040 → libfprint: 1.90.4 -> 1.90.5 → https://git.io/JIc4T
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<samueldr> iqubic: something related to home-manager, I don't know the details, but look around in their issues and/or PRs
<iqubic> Oh, is this a home-manager issue?
<iqubic> samueldr: Somehow I doubt this is a home-manager issue. See issue #105987
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<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/105987 (by peti, 14 hours ago, open): Firefox won't let me install add-ons. Now what?
<samueldr> I must have misunderstood the relationship when I saw it around
<iqubic> Yeah. That's the issue.
<samueldr> but the way it's explained
<{^_^}> nix-community/home-manager#1641 (by mtreca, 1 day ago, open): Firefox module handling changed upstream
<samueldr> it seemed related to HM
<iqubic> No. It's just that this user wanted to inform the HM devs that there was an upstream change.
<samueldr> good to know
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @breakds opened pull request #106042 → marl: init at 1.0.0 → https://git.io/JIcEm
<iqubic> Also, it seems that there's a new update to the Discord Chat client, that is making it so that I can't use Discord.
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<raghavsood> iqubic: Discord was updated yesterday on unstable at least, you should be able to grab 0.0.13 from there by now
<iqubic> I see.
<steveeJ> do the official iso and netboot images have support for automatic installation to disk?
<iqubic> Weird. I'm running Unstable, and I updated just now, and I still can't use Discord.
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<iqubic> Is it possible that chachix is preventing me from updating Discord?
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<samueldr> steveeJ: no, especially because there is nothing to handle partitioning and formatting
<steveeJ> samueldr: aw.. do folks not like https://github.com/nix-community/disko ?
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<samueldr> first I learn about it
<steveeJ> I'm looking for something that I can share maintenance over and not build and maintain for myself
<raghavsood> iqubic: Are you pulling from nixpkgs-unstable or nixos-unstable?
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<iqubic> nixos-unstable
<raghavsood> That channel hasn't been updated in a couple of days, you could try pulling from nixpkgs-unstable, which was updated 8 hours ago and should include the discord version bump: https://status.nixos.org/
<samueldr> but I know the general feeling with NixOS maintainers, steveeJ, is that handling partitioning/formatting automatically is scary enough that it needs to be more than rock solid before it's part of NixOS outright :)
<iqubic> I see.
<samueldr> be careful!
<samueldr> never use nixpkgs-* channels for NixOS
<samueldr> (for building the OS)
<steveeJ> samueldr: I see, and agree. I think that the nix-community is the place where we can have something stable enough to opt into ;-)
<iqubic> samueldr: I don't plan on doing that.
<samueldr> they have not gone through the tests, so recommending its use for the OS could (probably won't) but could have dire consequences
<samueldr> that was more for raghavsood
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<raghavsood> samueldr: Yes, of course - should be totally fine for just pulling in the discord package however. Wasn't my intention to ask iqubic to switch the whole system over, should have probably been more explicit
<samueldr> steveeJ: yep, hopefully at some point there will be confidence in something to handle that
<raghavsood> Then again, what's the point of having such great rollback mechanics if we never get to use them :D
<samueldr> but here's the rub
<samueldr> the failure could be nuking the rollback mechanism!
<iqubic> What's the url for nixpkgs-unstable, so that I can use "nix-channel --add"?
<samueldr> (or, more realistically, the boot entries, without actually touching the profiles)
<steveeJ> samueldr: FWIW, CoreOS has been doing this for many years using https://github.com/coreos/ignition
<raghavsood> iqubic: `nix-channel --add https://nixos.org/channels/nixpkgs-unstable` ought to cover it
<raghavsood> samueldr: Yeah, I've done that a few times, unfortunately always on servers in another country - makes for some fun support calls
<raghavsood> On the bright side, I did convince our team their to by some IP KVMs, so maybe it wasn't so bad
<samueldr> hah
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<samueldr> but yeah, it's quite important to be crystal clear when recommending usage of non-nixos channels on NixOS to *never* build the system outright with them, since the tests are the important difference between nixos and non-nixos channels
<iqubic> Why am I getting this error from "nix-env -iA nixpkgs.Discord": error: attribute 'nixpkgs' in selection path 'nixpkgs.Discord' not found
<iqubic> Look, I'm explicitly not using this to build my entire system.
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<pumpy> what package can i install to update firmware of my seagate nvme drive pls?
<samueldr> iqubic: I know, this wasn't aimed at you
<samueldr> just finishing the thought
<iqubic> Ah. I see.
<iqubic> Do you know what's up with the error I'm getting from nix-env?
<samueldr> because I'm pretty sure many people read the channel, even if they don't actually interact
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<samueldr> I don't recall if you need to do something after --add
<samueldr> I would --update nixpkgs-unstable
<iqubic> Yeah.
<samueldr> ah, the man page explicitly says to update after adding
<iqubic> And that didn't solve my issues.
<iqubic> Wait.. yes it did.
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<iqubic> I just got another attribute not found error. But this time it was telling me that Discord should be spelled with a lowercase D. The error had the same format, so I assumed it was the exact same error again.
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<raghavsood> I've honestly never had much luck with getting channels to work with nix-shell and nix-env at a cli level - I usually just end up pinning them in my system or home-manager config (or shell.nix) and letting it build from there, picking the right package for each channel
<raghavsood> Well, right channel for each package, rather
<iqubic> Alright, thanks all for helping me with my issues. I'll be off now.
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<pumpy> nixos have any tools that'll let me burn an iso to flash drive?
<pumpy> need to make bootable
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<raghavsood> Regular old `dd` has worked for me in the past
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<pjt_tmp> pumpy: dd if=foo.iso of=/dev/sdax bs=4k status=progress should be good
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<ishan> I was trying to build wayfire as package but it is failing.
<ishan> [72/201] Compiling C++ object src/wayfire.p/main.cpp.oFAILED: src/wayfire.p/main.cpp.o
<ishan> [73/201] Compiling C++ object src/wayfire.p/util.cpp.oFAILED: src/wayfire.p/util.cpp.o
<ishan> [74/201] Compiling C++ object src/wayfire.p/core_output-layout.cpp.oFAILED: src/wayfire.p/core_output-layout.cpp.o
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<ishan> builder for '/nix/store/nbs6cqfxrm7qpxrg5pwk7d79vfr28314-wayfire-8aa8260972edaba6d237e1a61217a4d2303edc3e.drv' failed with exit code 1; last 10 log lines: In file included from /nix/store/dnlimk9bci1r3c42l1x1319rkny8k1gc-wlroots-0.12.0/include/wlr/types/wlr_input_device.h:27,
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Mic92 pushed 3 commits to staging-next: https://git.io/JIcoR
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @SuperSandro2000 merged pull request #106039 → pythonPackages.clickhouse-driver: init at 0.1.5 → https://git.io/JIcLE
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @SuperSandro2000 pushed 3 commits to master: https://git.io/JIcop
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Mic92 opened pull request #106044 → systemd: fix pc files → https://git.io/JIcPC
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<pumpy> anyone know how to get seagate sdd firmware updates? i put my serial number in the form but it says not found
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #106045 → libgpiod: 1.6.1 -> 1.6.2 → https://git.io/JIcHX
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Mic92 merged pull request #103755 → fetchMavenArtifact: support artifact classifier syntax → https://git.io/JkOrR
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @vbgl opened pull request #106046 → ocamlPackages.uri: 3.1.0 → 4.0.0 → https://git.io/JIc7e
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @vbgl merged pull request #105373 → ocamlPackages.odate: init at 0.6 → https://git.io/Jkpeo
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #106047 → metabase: 0.37.2 -> 0.37.3 → https://git.io/JIcNc
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<{^_^}> [nixos-search] @ncfavier pushed to ncfavier-patch-1 « import-scripts: fix boolean rendering »: https://git.io/JIcxO
<{^_^}> [nixos-search] @ncfavier opened pull request #246 → import-scripts: fix boolean rendering → https://git.io/JIcxa
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jtojnar pushed to master « androidsdk_9_0: fix evaluation without aliases »: https://git.io/JICeK
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @supersven closed pull request #104382 → all-packages.nix: Use GCC 8 as default for MIPS targets → https://git.io/JkgRZ
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #106048 → mosquitto: 1.6.12 -> 2.0.0 → https://git.io/JICUH
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @doronbehar closed pull request #105977 → python.pkgs.pikepdf: 1.18.0 -> 2.2.0 → https://git.io/JIZBP
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @doronbehar pushed 2 commits to staging-next: https://git.io/JICIC
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @markuskowa merged pull request #98968 → greenfoot: init at 3.6.1 → https://git.io/JU65C
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @markuskowa pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JICIx
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @FRidh merged pull request #105584 → Staging next → https://git.io/JIJ5y
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @FRidh pushed 501 commits to master: https://git.io/JICLf
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @SCOTT-HAMILTON opened pull request #106049 → plasma-test: add kded test → https://git.io/JICLa
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @markuskowa merged pull request #96047 → easyrsa: 3.0.0 -> 3.0.8 → https://git.io/JUvDf
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @andir opened pull request #106050 → spotifyd: workaround panic with older rust version → https://git.io/JICOY
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<gentauro> why isnt' there any `nixos-20.09` branch? https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs-channels/tree/nixos-20.03
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @primeos pushed to master « gns3-{gui,server}: 2.2.16 -> 2.2.17 »: https://git.io/JIC3u
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @supermarin opened pull request #106051 → (nixpkgs/rage): Fix macOS build → https://git.io/JIC36
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<{^_^}> [nixos-hardware] @Mic92 merged pull request #217 → lenovo/thinkpad/l14/amd: update iommu comment → https://git.io/JIZ3n
<{^_^}> [nixos-hardware] @Mic92 pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JICsR
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @ehmry pushed to master « glow: remove ehmry from maintainers »: https://git.io/JICZn
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<gentauro> on the nixos site it states that 20.09 is the stable (therefore the active one right?) while on GH it's states that it's still 20.03 that's active https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs-channels/branches
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<etu> gentauro: That repo isn't used
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<gentauro> etu: which repo is used?
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<etu> gentauro: The channel branches has moved to https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @SCOTT-HAMILTON opened pull request #106052 → tlclient: init at 4.12.0 → https://git.io/JICZD
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<gentauro> etu: just out of curiosity, why is the other branch I linked to being updated like 17 hours ago if it's not the one that's used?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @freezeboy opened pull request #106053 → oven-media-engine: 0.10.8 -> 0.10.9-hotfix → https://git.io/JICne
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<pumpy> if i need to replace a rust pkg to get a more recent version how can i add https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/doc/languages-frameworks/rust.section.md#compiling-rust-applications-with-cargo to my-overlay in https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7pZsqGZ9VF assuming that's the best way pls?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @doronbehar merged pull request #98500 → sundials: assert that lapack and blas are compatible → https://git.io/JUgU1
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @doronbehar pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JICn1
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<etu> gentauro: I guess they still push changes for 20.03 there to not break it for users, but new branches or unstable doesn't update there
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @sternenseemann opened pull request #106054 → pythonPackages.ufonormalizer: 0.4.2 -> 0.5.0 → https://git.io/JICcH
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<gentauro> etu: roger that
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @kolaente opened pull request #106055 → jetbrains: updates → https://git.io/JICWS
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #106056 → magma: 2.5.3 -> 2.5.4 → https://git.io/JICl6
<mrt[m]1> Hi. My first try of Nixos today and I am completely lost. Could someone give me a quick hint how to change the keyboard layout for the console (no X)?
<patagonicus> mrt[m]1: Set console.keyMap in your /etc/nixos/configuration.nix, then sudo nixos-rebuild switch: https://search.nixos.org/options?channel=20.09&show=console.keyMap&from=0&size=30&sort=relevance&query=console.keyMap
<patagonicus> Not sure if switch will automatically set it or if you'll have to reboot, though.
<mrt[m]1> Thanks!
<LilleCarl> patagonicus: sudo systemctl isolate rescue; sudo systemctl isolate default <- i like using this one in case i don't need a full reboot
<patagonicus> LilleCarl: Oh, didn't know that one. Still not super familiar with systemd, I used to avoid it as much as I could. :)
<patagonicus> mrt[m]1: sudo loadkeys de (or whatever language you want) should also work as a one off, but the setting will auto-apply it on boot.
<LilleCarl> patagonicus: I don't know too much either to be honest, but i embrace anything that brings distos together towards THE YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP :p
<mrt[m]1> <patagonicus "mrt: sudo loadkeys de (or whatev"> Thanks! I'm farther away from the default (using dvorak) which makes me really slow on anything but that. With you tip I can check the configuration.nix option faster!
<patagonicus> mrt[m]1: I'm using NEO2 myself. :)
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<fendor> why does `nix search nixpkgs discord` find a different version than `nix-env -qaP discord` where both channel 20.09 und unstable (with latest updates)?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @github-actions[bot] pushed 18 commits to staging-next: https://git.io/JIC4s
<patagonicus> I can still use German (and also US if I have to), but I'm really slow …
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @github-actions[bot] pushed 24 commits to staging: https://git.io/JIC4Z
<LilleCarl> My colleagues think I'm hardcore becuase i use the US keymap on a Swedish keyboard :p
<seku> heh, my friends think i am hardcore because i use a Model F Battleship keyboard
<seku> it's the greatest keyboard i ever used. a bit unwieldy though
<seku> also using US-Int on swiss french keyboards. drives coworkers mad when they ever use my computer
<seku> at least i stopped using colemak
<mrt[m]1> O.k. `nixos-rebuild switch` produced an out of memory! My VM seems a bit small with 1gb RAM (wanted so see, how small it manages to work with :-)
<LilleCarl> fendor: I wish i could help, but I'm as new to this as anyone else. Everyone ever who uses nixos would advise against using nix-env to install packages though
<LilleCarl> Do you have a problem that nix isn't giving you an up2date enough discord? Because i had and solved that issue using configuration yesterday
<fendor> LilleCarl, well, yes, nix-env only gives me an older discord version. How did you solve it?
<seku> wow, i'd go 4gbyte minimum for VMs
<LilleCarl> fendor: so i cloned the nixpkgs git repo (huge, 1.2GB). Then i added this before my main configuraton
<LilleCarl> let
<LilleCarl> unstable = (import (fetchTarball https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs-channels/archive/nixos-unstable.tar.gz) { config.allowUnfree = true;});
<LilleCarl> master = import /etc/nixos/nixpkgs { config.allowUnfree = true; };
<LilleCarl> in
<LilleCarl> Then where you declare your packages you use "unstable.discord" rather than just "discord" and it'll pull the super latest bleeding edge
<LilleCarl> Full disclosure: I didn't invent this myself, i got help here. I've only used NixOS for < 1w
<fendor> LilleCarl, Well, I use something similar, namely https://gist.github.com/LnL7/570349866bb69467d0caf5cb175faa74 but the issue remains, I am importing `<unstable>`, but the discord version is still 0.12
<fendor> maybe the hydra caches for unstable are behind?
<LilleCarl> yes indeed
<LilleCarl> You should use master.discord, sry
<LilleCarl> Discord didn't reach unstable yet, so you need to use superbleedingedge for discord
<Yaniel> like I told you yesterday, it's not that the caches for unstable are behind
<Yaniel> the latest version hasn't made it to the unstable channel yet
<LilleCarl> It was my intention to say that indeed. Thanks for clarifying :)
<fendor> Yaniel, but the mr for it got merged, afaict?
<Yaniel> it got merged to master, yes
<Yaniel> but wasn't propagated to any of the channels
<fendor> I see. Where can I see the state of the propagation?
<Yaniel> nowhere easily, sadly
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<fendor> :(
<Yaniel> you can keep tabs on the test suites passing here: https://status.nixos.org/
<dutchie> if you have a source code checkout, you can do `git branch --all --contains <commit id>`
<dutchie> where <commit id> is the one updating discord
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<dutchie> (you may need also to do `git fetch --all` to update things)
<fendor> Yaniel, thanks! still struggling with the nix infrastrucutre
<Yaniel> after tests pass it takes a while before the actual branch on the nixpkgs repo is updated
<fendor> So, then the answer to my initial question is, that flakes use master while nix-env uses channels?
<Yaniel> (it seems like that is done by hand)
<Yaniel> flakes use whatever you want to use
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<Yaniel> nix-env uses whatever you have configured with nix-channel yes
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<seku> i just tried nix on-off during the last months, but flakes seem so new to me
<seku> is there a point to use channels now?
<Yaniel> yes
<Yaniel> channels are still the thing you get out of the box AFAIK
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<fendor> Yaniel, how do I configure the flakes then correctly?
<Yaniel> I haven't looked into that
<fendor> ok
<seku> thanks Yaniel
<Yaniel> but it's something similar to the snippet LilleCarl posted I think
<fendor> thanks everyone for your help!
<Yaniel> there's some documentation for it on the wiki IIRC
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<LilleCarl> dutchie: If you wanna track multiple nixpkgs branches you can use git-worktree to have multiple branches checked out at the same time without duplicating space consumed
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @mdorman opened pull request #106059 → pytest_xdist: make version conditional on python interpreter → https://git.io/JICE0
<seku> LilleCarl: what kind of magic is that
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<LilleCarl> seku: It's dark magic, but it's in the git docs so it's approved dark magic. Don't let it consume you though.... Anakin! https://git-scm.com/docs/git-worktree
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<seku> really dark magic. especially it not consuming more space. has to be some linking magic
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #106060 → ocamlPackages.optint: 0.0.3 -> 0.0.4 → https://git.io/JICuB
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<MichaelRaskin> Well, it might consume more space for checkouts, but the repo history is the real space waster
<MichaelRaskin> _That_ is clearly stored only once, doesn't even need magic
<LilleCarl> seku: it isn't entirely free. My unstable checkout is 246MB while nixpkgs is 1.6GB
<LilleCarl> As in, the HEAD files are cloned, but history is linked with the main repo
<seku> damn impressive still
<LilleCarl> MichaelRaskin: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." ― Arthur C.
<seku> i was thinking of that quote too
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @shdpl opened pull request #106061 → Discord dependencies → https://git.io/JICz2
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<guisanpea> Hello.
<seku> hi
<guisanpea> I am trying to create my first package following the guide https://nixos.org/manual/nix/stable/#ex-hello-composition
<MichaelRaskin> LilleCarl: yeah, but Git was not advanced technology even when it was first written
<guisanpea> I am missing to undestand if the `all-packages.nix` file is something that I must create or is something that it is there by default
<MichaelRaskin> all-packages.nix is a file in the Nixpkgs repository
<guisanpea> So to create the package I only need the `builder.sh` and `default.nix` files right?
<LilleCarl> MichaelRaskin: "Everything is relative" - Albert Einstein; For peasants like myself Git is indeed quite complex, not to say that it is for everyone :d
<MichaelRaskin> It is _more_ complex than more advanced technology having existed at the same time
<guisanpea> So at the end in my `hello` folder I have two files https://pastebin.com/8nGK2QX9 which is default.nix and https://pastebin.com/AxYeQ8fm which is builder.sh as the guide recommends. However when I try to run `nix-build -A hello`I run into this failure
<guisanpea> error: cannot auto-call a function that has an argument without a default value ('stdenv')
<guisanpea> Am I missing something from the guide in order to build the package? I appreciate the help because after following it I have no clue :*
<guisanpea> Am I missing something from the guide in order to build the package? I appreciate the help because after following it I have no clue :(
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #106062 → ocamlPackages.stdlib-shims: 0.1.0 -> 0.2.0 → https://git.io/JIC2T
<MichaelRaskin> It tells you to do this in Nixpkgs checkout, also modify all-packages.nix, and run nix-build at the top of Nixpkgs checkout
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @peti closed pull request #106061 → Discord dependencies → https://git.io/JICz2
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @bjpbakker opened pull request #106065 → minecraft: fix JAVA_HOME → https://git.io/JICi6
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #106066 → gnome3.mutter: 3.38.1 -> 3.38.2 → https://git.io/JICPY
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<pinpox> Hi, I'm trying to manage my firefox extesions declaratively with this option: https://rycee.gitlab.io/home-manager/options.html#opt-programs.firefox.extensions But they don't appear in firefox, can anyone help?
<dminuoso> pinpox: Did you manually enable the extensions?
<pinpox> dminuoso: where?
<dminuoso> " Note that it is necessary to manually enable these extensions inside Firefox after the first installation. "
<dminuoso> " Extensions listed here will only be available in Firefox profiles managed through the programs.firefox.profiles option. This is due to recent changes in the way Firefox handles extension side-loading. "
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<pinpox> huh, did I overread that, let me chcek
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<pinpox> dminuoso: but where would I enable that?
<pinpox> They are not in the "extensions" page of firefox
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @RaghavSood merged pull request #106064 → ledger-live-desktop: 2.17.1 -> 2.18.0 → https://git.io/JICit
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @RaghavSood pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/JICML
<dminuoso> pinpox: Go to about:config and then programs.firefox.profiles ?
<dminuoso> I guess?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @gebner merged pull request #103941 → cura: 4.7.1 -> 4.8.0 → https://git.io/JkZHY
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @gebner closed pull request #103657 → curaengine: 4.7.1 -> 4.8 → https://git.io/Jkmid
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @gebner pushed 7 commits to master: https://git.io/JICMc
<dminuoso> mmm no
<dminuoso> oh I guess programs.firefox.profiles is a home manager option
<pinpox> dminuoso: I'm using home manager
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<dminuoso> pinpox: No I meant https://rycee.gitlab.io/home-manager/options.html#opt-programs.firefox.profiles
<pinpox> That's my current config, am I mising something?
<dminuoso> Ah you have that
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<dminuoso> pinpox: Yeah you have to configure the plugin there somehow. Presumably under settings?
<pinpox> Do you mean inside the home-manager config or in firefox itself?
<dminuoso> home-manager config I guess
<pinpox> hm ok.. but I have a profile and the extensions in there? What else do I need?
<pinpox> it's in my config (link above)
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<pinpox> dminuoso: also I don't see the profile? https://imgur.com/a/NWy5imq
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<LilleCarl> fendor_: It seems like you can get Discord from Flathub now. I have no idea since when Flathub supported proprietary packages, but there's Steam on there as well (65wat)
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<fendor_> LilleCarl, thanks, but I am fine with waiting a bit until it hits nixpkgs. I was mainly wondering about the surrounding infrastructure
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<Yaniel> I wish I could figure out what the problem with those tests is atm
<zangi> why is `haskellPackages.lambdabot` marked as broken?
<Yaniel> also waiting for it to update, since there's a fix for pipewire in the pending commits
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<Yaniel> zangi: because it doesn't build in the current form of the package and nobody has bothered to fix it?
<LilleCarl> I must say, Nix actually makes system management fun in a completely new way
<Yaniel> zangi: mostly the part that nobody is interested in fixing it
<Yaniel> LilleCarl: word
<Yaniel> no more OCD over stale config (or other) files bloating up the system over time
<Yaniel> something is not needed anymore? garbage collector go brrrr
<Yaniel> and tinkering is fun since the worst case scenario is that you have to reboot
<LilleCarl> And when everything is a file that you can track with git. Your system configuration is always there waiting for you, wherever you are :d
<LilleCarl> Yaniel: As long as you don't bonk the filesystem :p
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @RaghavSood merged pull request #106010 → monero 0.17.1.3 -> 0.17.1.5 → https://git.io/JInLO
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @veprbl merged pull request #106051 → rage: fix macOS build → https://git.io/JIC36
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<liminal18_> some issues with upgraded to 20.09: https://gist.github.com/aljones15/222e3e39b6bf5f09df77554b1c0d6bca
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<dminuoso> liminal18_: while evaluating the option `environment.etc.systemd/user.source':
<dminuoso> mmm
<dminuoso> ah no while evaluating the attribute 'sources' of the derivation 'etc' at /nix/var/nix/profiles/per-user/root/channels/nixos/nixos/modules/system/etc/etc.nix:12:5:
<liminal18_> dminuso not following. is there an upgrade guide I need to use?
<dminuoso> liminal18_: Mmm, this is strange indeed
<dminuoso> liminal18_: can you share your entire config?
<liminal18_> let me see
<liminal18_> dminuoso: ok I added my nixos configuration
<liminal18_> my install is 5 years old
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<liminal18_> so it is probably out of date
<dminuoso> liminal18_: I guess its your compton setting
<dminuoso> inactiveOpacity = "0.9";
<dminuoso> I have no idea why the traceback is that bad
<liminal18_> also the ssh keys I would like to auto-add are not working. I have to do ssh-add after every reboot to be able to commit git etc.
<liminal18_> removed the ""s trying it now
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @ilmari-lauhakangas opened pull request #106076 → subtitleeditor: add more gst-plugins → https://git.io/JIWk8
<liminal18_> looks like that was it
<liminal18_> dminuoso: thanks man
<dminuoso> liminal18_: I'd file a bug report, though.
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #106077 → pcre2: 10.35 -> 10.36 → https://git.io/JIWkD
<dminuoso> The error is misleading, and I wonder why there was no deprecation error
<liminal18_> yeah if it had said compton I probably would have caught it
<liminal18_> any idea further suggestios on my setup BTW? It is pretty ancient.
<dminuoso> yeah
<dminuoso> use modules.
<liminal18_> like a module for steam, a module for x11, a module for databases?
<dminuoso> sure
<liminal18_> thanks again
<dminuoso> liminal18_: Also one other, I see you dont have any systemPackages.
<dminuoso> Do you use home manager?
<dminuoso> Or do you rigorously use nix-shell?
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<Cadey> lorri is nice
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<inquisitiv3> Is there any documentation on how to get NixOS running on a PPC system? I'll build my Blackbird (from Raptor CS) system in a couple of weeks.
<inquisitiv3> Can't find anything in the manual or in the forum.
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<txt> I'm having a problem installing texlive.combined.scheme-basic via home-manager. It errors with a conflict for "/bin/dvipdfmx". https://paste.debian.net/1175834/
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<Yaniel> inquisitiv3: presumably it'll work a lot like running it on ARM
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @rnhmjoj merged pull request #106016 → pythonPackages.libusb1: 1.8.1 -> 1.9 → https://git.io/JInZK
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<genevino> so i'm just trying to pin down a bug in alacritty and noticed that the version in nixos is pretty old (0.5.0). can i somehow easily check if another nix packages channel would ship 0.6.0 already?
<Yaniel> unstable has 0.6.0-rc1
<Yaniel> nixos-unstable that is
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @FRidh merged pull request #105878 → pythonPackages.pytest_xdist: fix build → https://git.io/JIOjS
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @FRidh closed pull request #106059 → pytest_xdist: make version conditional on python interpreter → https://git.io/JICE0
<Yaniel> genevino: oh, looks like 0.6.0 is already merged to master, so that's just a matter of waiting for it to propagate to the relevant channels
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<LilleCarl> https://search.nixos.org/options if you're looking for configuration options
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @jonringer merged pull request #102378 → Refactor rabbitvcs → https://git.io/JT7Xs
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<liminal18_> what is home manager?
<hexa-> getting the following on master …
<hexa-> hash mismatch in fixed-output derivation '/nix/store/b6kgljakabikdc1br0ya5dh5q7qksc0w-corba-jdk8u272-b10.tar.gz':
<hexa-> wanted: sha256:163dganpd2g67ia3lcf05dvq2jpvz4brhmv2mvr1yg449kb9h01j
<hexa-> got: sha256:1jfj8gf2yfkj2dwbvnx5wj100yl36w984dhva3vqsfp53qfj0q6g
<hexa-> yet I cannot find the "wanted" hash anywhere in my nixpkgs checkout
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<hexa-> time to comment out libreoffice I guess
<infinisil> hexa-: It could be in a different format
<infinisil> See `man nix-hash`
<hexa-> tru :<
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<stevenroose> I'm trying to create a nix package for an app that is built with yarn. Now I know nothing about JS development. I see 2 yarn2nix projects and a node2nix project. The yarn2nix projects don't seem to work (they can't build it), but node2nix can. Would that work?
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<lunasspecto> Hi NixOS folks
<lunasspecto> I have been enthusiastically using NixOS on my personal machines for a while and have decided to migrate the VPS that hosts my web site to NixOS. I've hit a little snag, though; When I use the Nixos 18.03 ISO provided by my hosting provider (old, I know), it doesn't start with network connectivity; I can't connect to nixos.org etc.
<lunasspecto> I'm wondering if the NixOS 18.03 manual would be any help; does anyone know where I can find older versions of the manual?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @rnhmjoj opened pull request #106082 → nixos/uwsgi: add support for POSIX capabilities → https://git.io/JIWlf
<eyJhb> Which provider do you use lunasspecto ?
<Emantor> lunasspecto: man configuration.nix on your 18.09 machine will have the info for that version.
<txt> lunasspecto, please specify "no network connection" a bit more detailed
<ivan> lunasspecto: can you ping 1.1.1.1
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<lunasspecto> If I try to ping 1.1.1.1 it hangs much longer than I care to wait
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<lunasspecto> When the ping returns it says 100% packet loss
<lunasspecto> I'm not super adept at networking
<lunasspecto> My hosting provider is HostWInds
<Yaniel> ping probably doesn't hang, it just doesn't print its progress in some configurations
<Yaniel> you can ctrl+c and it should print what it got so far
<lunasspecto> Yeah, it did eventually complete (I passed "-c1") and said it lost the packet
<srhb> lunasspecto: For starters, maybe you can pastebin (or screenshot, if you're in console land) the output of `ip a`
<ivan> if you can install another linux with working networking on your server, you can then use emergency-kexec (from another machine with decent upstream) to reboot it into a nixos installer
<srhb> I don't really think that 18.03 shouldn't have networking. Sounds weird.
<srhb> It may be some missing vm networking module I suppose...
<lunasspecto> Ooh, ivan, that sounds like it might be a decent option.
<ivan> install the latest debian on the server if that is available, then take a look at emergency-kexec and make it install 20.09
<lunasspecto> I will try to grab a screenshot of `ip a`. I'm using a VNC without copy/paste
<lunasspecto> I was so excited because I had a .nix file with everything I want all ready. I did not count on networking not being available to start
<srhb> lunasspecto: Yeah, that's a bit of a showstopper :P
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<liminal18_> oh my bad
<liminal18_> I'm out of space for new boot images
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Ma27 merged pull request #105919 → pass-import: 2.6 -> 3.1 → https://git.io/JIssg
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<patagonicus> So, with pkgs.closureInfo I can get the list of packages that a system needs (I'm currently using something close to pkgs.closureInfo { rootPaths = (import <nixpkgs/nixos> { configuration = … }) } - can I get a closure that also includes build dependencies?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @turion opened pull request #106084 → haskellPackages.pandoc-include-code: Jailbreak → https://git.io/JIWBi
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @primeos pushed to master « scdoc: 1.11.0 -> 1.11.1 »: https://git.io/JIWBj
<lunasspecto> Hmm, tried emergency-kexec on a fresh Debian installation and it seemed to be going fine until it tried to extract the tarball it had copied over and claims to have run out of space
<patagonicus> Looks like using config.system.drvPath instead of config.system works, although I don't (yet?) understand why.
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @primeos pushed to master « neatvnc: 0.3.2 -> 0.4.0 »: https://git.io/JIWR3
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<LilleCarl> Anyone care to check out if I'm remotely on the right track here: https://pastebin.com/0fCYAd9y https://github.com/Stremio/stremio-shell/blob/master/DEBIAN.md
<lunasspecto> Okay, I"m still trying to install NixOS on my VPS. I discovered that I can actually provide my own installation ISO, so now I'm finally working with NixOS 20.09 instead of 18.03, but I still lose all packets and can't connect to nixos.org
<lunasspecto> I managed to screenshot the output of `ip a` in my VNC https://ibb.co/BVtpHhB
<ryantm> Does your VPS support an IPv4 internet connection?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #106086 → php73Packages.psalm: 4.2.1 -> 4.3.1 → https://git.io/JIW2U
<LilleCarl> lunasspecto: First of all. That's a RFC1918 IP address you've got there. A VPS should usually not have one of those.
<LilleCarl> try "mtr 1.1.1.1" or "traceroute 1.1.1.1" and post output back
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<lunasspecto> Unfortunately I don't have mtr or traceroute in the installation image :(
<LilleCarl> mhm that's unfortunate
<{^_^}> Channel nixpkgs-unstable advanced to https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/cf7475d2061 (from 10 hours ago, history: https://channels.nix.gsc.io/nixpkgs-unstable)
<lunasspecto> What I could do is temporarily install a different OS on my VPS, run mtr, and report back
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<LilleCarl> If you could boot a "rescue distro" to trial these things that'd be great
<LilleCarl> Well thing is you should run a rescue dist from the same rescue mode
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<hexa-> lunasspecto: ip route
<hexa-> look for a default route
<LilleCarl> There's a possibility that your VPS provider puts your VPS on a different network segment with DHCP and NAT when you're in rescume mode (seems weird but who knows). Where's this VM hosted?
<hexa-> next try to ping the nexthop
<LilleCarl> lunasspecto: It'll look something like this: default via 192.168.87.1 dev eno1 proto dhcp src 192.168.87.221 metric 203
<LilleCarl> What hexa- described
<lunasspecto> LilleCarl, I'm on HostWinds, in "ISO Install" mode. I already started booting an Alpine ISO, so I'll see if I have connectivity in that and if I do I'll trace some routes
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<hexa-> Also, as a customer, nag them to provide something less horribly outdated
<LilleCarl> If your server IP is 81.82.83.84 you should configure your first interface with that ip address. Set the subnetmask to /24 (255.255.255.0) and the default gateway to 81.82.83.1
<LilleCarl> Dns you can use whatever public recursive resolved you want :d
<hexa-> A /24, shady
<lunasspecto> Ah thanks, I'm not used to configuring networking at this level, I use ifconfig ?
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<LilleCarl> hexa-: Why shady? It's quite common
<Mozart_> sesto senso
<hexa-> LilleCarl: because it is likely a shared L2 network
<LilleCarl> lunasspecto: ip address add 81.82.83.84/24 dev eth0
<lunasspecto> sweet, thank you, LilleCarl
<hexa-> And that opens up a can of worms like arp spoofing, rogue router adverts
<LilleCarl> ip route add default via 81.82.83.1 dev eth0
<dminuoso> LilleCarl: No it's not common.
<Mozart_> sesto senso
<hexa-> Not in proper environments at least
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<LilleCarl> hexa-: dminuoso Nothing wrong with that. They're probably using some overlay to span the L2 across multiple nodes, this along with rstp guards makes the network loop free and you save ip addresses and can provide a configuration people are used to when they're installing their own isos (like above) :p
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<LilleCarl> Said overlay is probably VXLAN tunnels managed with EVPN.
<hexa-> LilleCarl: /32 + onlink gw is the proper wqy
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<LilleCarl> While i do agree, It's "harder" to configure. If you're providing VPS's to potatoes you've got to take that into consideration too
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<lunasspecto> Am
<lunasspecto> Am I a potato? XD
<LilleCarl> Nah, you'll figure this out ;)
<hexa-> I mean there is still the point that you have a /24 and it will do ARP and NDP for those neighbors
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<hexa-> I wouldn't want to share a L2 with untrusted machines
<hexa-> you suddenly need DHCP Snooping/Guard to prevent rogue DHCP
<hexa-> Maybe MAC Filters
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<hexa-> certain Source Address Filters
<hexa-> certainly*
<hexa-> You really do need to also filter Router Advertisments
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<hexa-> so, the best move is not to play :)
<hexa-> LilleCarl: btw: if you ever want to toy around with tc/mangos on nix, I have some packages ready :p
<LilleCarl> hexa-: These are usually solved by blocking these protocols between the hosts. On the defgw they might proxy arp :p
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @zowoq opened pull request #106089 → fd: 8.1.1 -> 8.2.0 → https://git.io/JIWwJ
<hexa-> yeah, ugly solutions :p
<LilleCarl> I agree, but i see why it's done
<LilleCarl> hexa-: Hey hit me up
<LilleCarl> lunasspecto: from tldr pages
<LilleCarl> - Add/Delete an ip address to an interface:
<LilleCarl> ip addr add/del ip/mask dev interface
<LilleCarl> - Add a default route:
<LilleCarl> ip route add default via ip dev interface
<hexa-> LilleCarl: do you know NUR (nix user repos)?
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<lunasspecto> If I'm going to use the `ip` commands above, will I need to create the eth0 device first?
<LilleCarl> hexa-: I've been running nixos for a couple of days. I know nothing and i'm get to understand anything :p
<LilleCarl> lunasspecto: no that device exists
<LilleCarl> Type ip link and you'll see all devices you have
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<lunasspecto> I have lo and ens3
<LilleCarl> ens3 is your device
<LilleCarl> lo is loopback, that's where 127.0.0.0/8 resides
<lunasspecto> Right! I just remembered that because I'm on 20.09 now I'm nixos, not root, so I've got to sudo
<dminuoso> 20:28:01 hexa- | LilleCarl: /32 + onlink gw is the proper wqy
<dminuoso> Indeed.
<dminuoso> That's the only proper way.
<hexa-> and it's really easier
<hexa-> do routed networking instead of switched
<hexa-> and when the vm starts route that ip that way
<hexa-> you are basically done, no L2 shenanigans
<LilleCarl> There's the IPv6 + ENHE way too. We use it to route traffic internally. "BGP Unnumbered"
<dminuoso> For VPS, if you have good control over the hypervisor, you can inject DHCP helpers to auto configure your IP. Think that's what Hetzner does?
<dminuoso> LilleCarl: That's just for the underlay...
<hexa-> LilleCarl: ENHE is mellanox-speak for IPv4 via IPv6 Nexthops, correct?
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<LilleCarl> hexa-: Not Mellanox specific. Can be done in Linux
<hexa-> sure, just the term ENHE
<hexa-> yeah, that
<hexa-> ah no, it's also in the rfc
<hexa-> > Extended Next Hop Encoding
<{^_^}> undefined variable 'Extended' at (string):440:1
* LilleCarl laughs
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<dminuoso> BGP unnumbered (that is link-local IPv6, with automatic peer discovery, and then ENHE) is the only way to build spine/leaf in my opinion.
<dminuoso> Anything else is just error prone and silly
<dminuoso> Assuming you're running EVPN anyway
<LilleCarl> Yeps
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<dminuoso> I mean we're a mellanox.. *cough*.. nvidia.. shop. So it just works out of the box? :>
<hexa-> riiiight.
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<hexa-> you people are aware of #nixos-on-your-router? :)
<dminuoso> No!
<hexa-> you are now!
<dminuoso> But we do want to run nixos on our nvidia switches.
<hexa-> not yet
<dminuoso> What not yes? No we do!
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<dminuoso> Maybe Ill just try and nixos-infect one of our switches tomorrow. Brilliant idea.
<LilleCarl> dminuoso: If you're running Mellanox i assume you're already running Cumulus. What does Nix have to offer in terms of switch management? Are you thinking nixops?
<hexa-> networkd? :P
<dminuoso> LilleCarl: well not nixops, but something like that yeah.
<dminuoso> Right now we have a custom haskell stack that orchestrates our SDN.
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<LilleCarl> How do you program the ASIC?
<dminuoso> We're toying with the idea of running the switches on nixos to talk about the entirety of it
<hexa-> LilleCarl: you honestly need to hope the linux kernel has a driver/firmware for that
<dminuoso> LilleCarl: Using ifupdown2 with switchd and so forth
<dminuoso> When I say nixos, I mean nixos + derivations for all the cumulus python stuff
<dminuoso> Part of the reason is our cumulus switches are running quite a bit of custom software already
<hexa-> yeah, that's a good reason
<dminuoso> Like we have a custom tranceiver exporter running on each switch
<hexa-> does cumulus support telemetry?
<dminuoso> Sure if you buy NetQ
<dminuoso> But we're a prometheus shop
<hexa-> sure, we're using the openconfig-telemetry-exporter :)
<hexa-> but yeah, largely due to being a mostly junos network
<dminuoso> The exporter wasnt so difficult, its just a bunch of golang code to talk to Linux via ethtool, and then scrape SNIA standardized things off.
<LilleCarl> hexa-: It's Debian 10 with some pixie dust sprinkled on top. Anything you can do on your linux host you can do on your switch.... ish
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<dminuoso> hexa-: Ah I see, Ill check that out
<hexa-> LilleCarl: well, yes and no. For bcm switches a mainline kernel wouldn't do.
<dminuoso> All routers here are being switched to Juniper MX204
<hexa-> not sure about mlnx, they're usually more open
<dminuoso> Think currently we're running a custom junos exporter too
<hexa-> yup, our borders are mx204 as well
<dminuoso> bcm switches
<dminuoso> haha
<dminuoso> Has NVidia finally talked about broadcom support btw?
<hexa-> dminuoso: well, you do need *some* software for them now :P
<dminuoso> Because for the past 6 months it was silently canned..
<dminuoso> Rumors of licensing fights between broadcom and nvidia
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<hexa-> your support contract for bcm on cumulus isn't worth jack shit
<dminuoso> *shrugs*
<dminuoso> We have Mellanox switches.
<LilleCarl> We're really small, but we bought some bcm and we're not very impressed with the information :p
<dminuoso> Or well. Nvidia.
<lunasspecto> Had to attend to non-tech stuff, but I got back to to running those ip commands, LilleCarl. Do you think there's any service I have to restart now
<hexa-> broadcom pulled their sdk when cumulus was bought
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<dminuoso> hexa-: Yeah, the worst part is, there's still no information on either side.
<LilleCarl> lunasspecto: No. But your dns isn't configured most likely
<dminuoso> At least it wasnt a few weeks ago
<dminuoso> Only things I kept hearing from nvidia folks was "a press release is coming out soon"
<LilleCarl> lunasspecto: try ping 1.1.1.1
<hexa-> dminuoso: there is some, if you find the proper twitter thread, and it's not pretty :P
<dminuoso> hexa-: do you have a link by any chance?
<lunasspecto> I still can't ping 1.1.1.1 -- 100% packet loss
<hexa-> hm, lmtal
<dminuoso> Anyhow. We're glad we wont that lottery, because we decked out our entire core network with mellanox switches.
<dminuoso> *won
<hexa-> so there was obviously this one https://twitter.com/etherealmind/status/1305795281385127937
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<hexa-> but I found one from june I think
<LilleCarl> Thread is proof that open networking is horse.
<dminuoso> hexa-: Oh fun.
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<LilleCarl> There's a workaround though. Dell, Accton, <insert switch manufacturer here> are still allowed to build switchd
<dminuoso> In hindsight, it was a real irony. Our previous switching fabric was brocade, and the purchase by extreme networks was an obvious move to just slaughter brocade to pieces - it was one major reason to move to mellanox+cumuulus.
<lunasspecto> Ah, I think I put my gateway in wrong, rebooting and trying again
<LilleCarl> lunasspecto: you don't need to reboot for that
<dminuoso> Just to get the news 6 months later that both cumulus and mellanox got bought..
<dminuoso> Of course it wasnt the same situation, but it did cause some confused faces
<LilleCarl> hexa-: You're creepy AF RN
<hexa-> how so? :P
<dminuoso> hexa-: ah yeah I got that hn bit.
<LilleCarl> LilleCarl == carlhjerpe
<dminuoso> LilleCarl: Oh I think you and I talked on slack.
<hexa-> lmao
<dminuoso> Yes we did.
<dminuoso> Heh small world.
<LilleCarl> dminuoso: CT?
<dminuoso> CT?
<LilleCarl> Initials
<dminuoso> No. VN. It was just some short conversation bits now and then.
<LilleCarl> Ic
<dminuoso> Let's do the proper introduction round. AS9136 here *waves*
<LilleCarl> I'm ashamed, don't wanna :p
<hexa-> dminuoso: and not in #denog? :P
<LilleCarl> 32 bit AS, single /22, 2 transit providers. Nothing to show off
<dminuoso> hexa-: Yeah I know.
<dminuoso> Maybe I should.
<LilleCarl> So now that we're all friends, care to take a look at something NixOS related? https://pastebin.com/0fCYAd9y
<dminuoso> LilleCarl: Well, it's not like I couldn't figure out what AS you are if I wanted to..
<LilleCarl> dminuoso: You probably could considering my name, it'd be quite some stalking though :p
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<LilleCarl> dminuoso: 10$ says you can't find my employers ASN in < 10m
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<dminuoso> LilleCarl: Carefu.
<dminuoso> You might just have to open paypal
<LilleCarl> I'm a man of my word
<lunasspecto> Oh, yeah, I can ping 1.1.1.1 now. I can even ping NixOS, so I guess I have DNS
<lunasspecto> *ping nixos.org
<LilleCarl> lunasspecto: There you go mate!~
<lunasspecto> Thanks a ton, LilleCarl
<hexa-> LilleCarl: your employers website is behind cf :(
<LilleCarl> hexa-: Well yes
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<hexa-> and we have no peering with a company named like it
<LilleCarl> dminuoso figured it out already :p
<hexa-> rip :D
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<LilleCarl> 21:03:15 LilleCarl | dminuoso: 10$ says you can't find my employers ASN in < 10m
<hexa-> dminuoso++ take that karma
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<LilleCarl> 21:06:49 dminuoso | Hello ASXXXXXX
<LilleCarl> dminuoso++
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<hugolgst> Hello guys, I would like to know why here https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/e02f6bfa2609043c7ae0648c025cdd71248eca89/nixos/modules/system/boot/luksroot.nix#L280 they re-generate a new salt ?
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<LilleCarl> There's something inherently German about NixOS. So far everyone I've talked to about NixOS that I've gotten to know the location of has been German
<LilleCarl> Like litterally 100% so far
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<LilleCarl> hugolgst: i suggest you take a look at the git blame https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blame/e02f6bfa2609043c7ae0648c025cdd71248eca89/nixos/modules/system/boot/luksroot.nix#L280 that line was written 7 years ago
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<etu> LilleCarl: It originates from the Netherlands :)
<etu> LilleCarl: One of the companies that works with nix (mayflower) is from Germany
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<hugolgst> LittleCarl: Not true i'm from Switzerland
<evils> LilleCarl: greetings from belgium (and i suspect it has spread as far south as Lille (northern france)
<LilleCarl> etu: That makes sense, I guess it feels more at home for German/German-ish (sorry Dutch people) speaking people then :p
<infinisil> hugolgst: Oh hello fellow swiss person! o/
<hugolgst> Hiii
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<etu> LilleCarl: And your nickname tells me that you're from the nordic countries :)
<evils> )
<LilleCarl> etu: Indeed. Sweden
<etu> LilleCarl: Cool, I'm in Stockholm :>
<LilleCarl> I'm in the metropolitan Skövde :p
<LilleCarl> etu:
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<etu> LilleCarl: Nix is spreading :)
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<LilleCarl> etu: Oh cmon that's mean. There's probably at least one other person in my city who use Nix
<etu> LilleCarl: Yeah, probably, just hard to find :)
<LilleCarl> Anyone care to take a look at https://pastebin.com/CenARern error: cannot auto-call a function that has an argument without a default value ('stdenv')
<LilleCarl> Looking at other nix packages I can't see where I'm wrong
<hexa-> how are you calling that?
<LilleCarl> hexa-: nix-build :p
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<LilleCarl> nix-build stremio.nix to be specific
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<hexa-> LilleCarl: https://nixos.wiki/wiki/FAQ#I.27m_working_on_a_new_package.2C_how_can_I_build_it_without_adding_it_to_nixpkgs.3F
<hexa-> tl;dr is: you are using stuff from nixpkgs without importing it
<hexa-> so they're not available
<LilleCarl> icic
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<stevenroose> Am I alone to find that there's a great lack of (discoverable) documentation or examples on how to do some specific things?
<stevenroose> I've been trying to find out how to use/run a nodejs app in NixOS. I feel that documentation is always very narrow to a specific part of the problem but I fail to understand how things fit together.
<stevenroose> (I read nix pills and the manual before, I might have forgotten things over some months, but I usually learn better by example and doing things.)
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<colemickens> anyone use a kwin fork in plasma to get better perf?
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<LilleCarl> stevenroose: https://discourse.nixos.org/t/new-users-using-nixos-wrong/9973 There's a topic about kinda this on the forum
<hexa-> LilleCarl: fwiw: you don't need pname/version inside a let binding
<hexa-> just move them into the derivation and make the derivation recursive (stdenv.mkDerivation rec {)
<LilleCarl> So that's why some packages use the rec part
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<LilleCarl> [lillecarl@shitbox:~/nixpkgs]$ nix-build . -A stremio
<LilleCarl> error: attribute 'stremio' in selection path 'stremio' not foundy
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<colemickens> worldofpeace: you didn't find a workaround for broken specialisations under flakes did you? :(
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<LilleCarl> https://nixos.org/community.html <- Next Conference 16-18 oct 2020
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<stevenroose> LilleCarl: hmm, thanks will check out :)
<LilleCarl> stevenroose: Oh sry it's not like good docs, it's just discussion about that the "first step" into nix is kinda hard
<stevenroose> Hmm, LilleCarl I have used NixOS in the past for various machines and I know how to *use* existing NixOS services, programs etc. I just don't know what to do if an app is not in nixpkgs and I need to provide it myself.
<colemickens> There is a node section of the manual.
<stevenroose> There's guides to "package an XXX app to nixpkgs". But what then? Then I get a default.nix that represents a package, but I don't know how to "use" it as a service/program from configuration.nix
<colemickens> That having been said, I also struggle with nodejs in nixos sometimes (though that usually has to do with unspeak^H^H^H^H creative things happening inside npm packages.)
<colemickens> stevenroose: this is good feedback, I've had this conversation with a a folk or two in the past.
<stevenroose> colemickens: yeah I always try to find non-JS based solutions to any problem first :D But it is unavoidable sometimes
<colemickens> stevenroose: first question is, do you plan to contribute this back to nixpkgs?
<stevenroose> colemickens: probably not. not because I don't want to do the effort, but because I'm just learning and it's probably gonna suck
<LilleCarl> stevenroose: The good thing about nix is that if it works, it works :p
<stevenroose> :D
<LilleCarl> And the best way to get help on the internet is ofc to state something wrong (which could be interpreted as providing kinda bad code that someone will improve) :p
<colemickens> stevenroose: :( that's too bad.
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<colemickens> stevenroose: but understandable. There's a non-GH workflow you can use here, to submit patches apparently, if that's any more appealing: https://lists.sr.ht/~andir/nixpkgs-dev
<colemickens> stevenroose: but anyway, if you're going to keep it out-of-tree anyway, then you'll probably wind up with another file that imports nixpkgs and calls `pkg.callPackage ./path/to/your/default.nix` which will give you the actual package.
<colemickens> let me find an example for you
* colemickens resists the urge to send a flake.nix.
<stevenroose> colemickens: hmm that helps. and then how cna oyu "use" the package?
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<stevenroose> it's just adding it to the environment.systemPackages at that point, right?
<colemickens> yeah, that's what I'd do anyway
<colemickens> if you're going to do that though, it's even easier :)
<stevenroose> well no I mean to ask, at that point we "just" have the binary available, or the callable anyway
<MichaelRaskin> If it goes to systemPackages, it's better to callPackage directly without a second import of Nixpkgs
<colemickens> just literally stick `(pkgs.callPackage path/to/your/pkg/default.nix)` in as a new entry in environment.systemPackages.
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<colemickens> +1 to what MichaelRaskin said, forget what I said about importing nixpkgs in another file.
<infinisil> Don't forget the {} as the second callPackage argument
<stevenroose> I suppose to turn it into a service, I could do 2 things? do a manual system.services.<name> = { }; by doing a systemd unit or try to do a nixos module thing with config?
<colemickens> and that too :/ just saw it
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<colemickens> stevenroose: if you want to go through that process, it's a bit more involved, you'll need to write a NixOS module and then similarly make that known to your configuration.
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<stevenroose> but if I want it to be a permanent part of my nixos machine/conf, that's the best way, right?
<stevenroose> so that I can also have some way there to provide a config file
<stevenroose> hmm, I think I did something like that with a non-nodejs program in the past
<colemickens> stevenroose: putting it in environment.systemPackages just makes it available to you via PATH. It doesn't automatically activate/install any systemd services.
<inquisitiv3> Yaniel: The wiki links to build done by Hydra (https://hydra.nixos.org/job/nixos/release-20.09/nixos.sd_image.aarch64-linux), but I can't seem to find a similar page for PPC. Not sure if I'm missing something, or that Hydra doesn't build installation media for PPC?
<stevenroose> hmm k no I seem to have tried this before but not succeeded
<Yaniel> it most likely doesn't build for ppc
<Yaniel> just like it doesn't for arm other than aarch64 (and even that is low priority)
<stevenroose> colemickens: yea I realise that, so I'll have to do either a systemd service or a module I suppose
<inquisitiv3> Yaniel: How do I install NixOS if there's no installation media for the arch?
<colemickens> stevenroose: here's a very simple nixos module that configures a systemd service, to give you a taste of what's going on: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/nixos/modules/programs/waybar.nix
<pumpy> if i need to replace a rust pkg to get a more recent version how can i add https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/doc/languages-frameworks/rust.section.md#compiling-rust-applications-with-cargo to my-overlay in https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7pZsqGZ9VF assuming that's the best way pls?
<Yaniel> inquisitiv3: you can start with another distro and use nixos-infect
<stevenroose> colemickens: awesome, thanks!
<stevenroose> colemickens: any that is npm/nodejs based?
<colemickens> stevenroose: the service/module part wouldn't really change for that. just the package definition.
<colemickens> stevenroose: that's only the service, the actual pacakge for waybar is somewhere else.
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<stevenroose> k, I'll take a look, thanks a lot!
<colemickens> inquisitiv3: if you can get Nix on another distro on the arch you could build your own install media too, potentially.
<colemickens> (I guess that would require a Nix built for PPC, or building it for PPC)
<inquisitiv3> Yaniel: Thanks for the tip! I'll look into that.
<inquisitiv3> colemickens: That seems like a great learning experience! I'll just hope there's any documentation describing how to do it.
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #106103 → python37Packages.azure-mgmt-network: 16.0.0 -> 17.0.0 → https://git.io/JIW7N
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<stevenroose> colemickens: okay so if I have some packages in ./pkgs/XX/XX.nix and a module in ./modules/XX.nix, how can I get those into my configuration.nix? where/how are these imported?
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<veleiro> what's a good directory to store secrets in NixOS?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @mingmingrr opened pull request #106104 → pythonPackages.hydrus: 413 -> 420 → https://git.io/JIW5b
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<stevenroose> let's say the veleiro /secrets ;)
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<stevenroose> oh, that was half a sentence. I just meant /secrets ;)
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<roobs> Hi! I'm a GNU maintainer, in particular of GNU Zile. I am trying to get the Hydra build reconfigured.
<roobs> I tried filing a GitHub issue a month ago, but no luck: https://github.com/NixOS/hydra/issues/828
<{^_^}> hydra#828 (by rrthomas, 4 weeks ago, open): Please reactivate gnu:zile-master
<roobs> any hints on whom to contact? I don't actually have a Hydra account myself, and I can't find out how to get one
<colemickens> stevenroose: I might let someone else chime in here. I normally do these things by hacking directly on the nixpkgs that my system uses.
<colemickens> stevenroose: I think there's a way to include out-of-tree modules but I don't know/remember/use that
<stevenroose> LilleCarl: any idea? ^
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<LilleCarl> No mate, I'm still clueless about everything I'm doing with Nix
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<LilleCarl> I've been looking to get some help myself actually :p
<landon> any reason to switch from Debian?
<stevenroose> I think modules I can just `import` them. nixpkgs I have no idea
<stevenroose> LilleCarl: hmm, k sure no worries :) and good luck
<LilleCarl> landon: Many. But if you're uncertain you should probably read more before getting into it
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<energizer> landon: there are many reasons to switch from debian and many reasons not to
<lukegb> stevenroose: if they're written like the ones in nixpkgs, then you'll need to `callPackage` them
<stevenroose> lukegb: ah yeah right indeed
<LilleCarl> stevenroose: https://nixos.wiki/wiki/FAQ#I.27m_working_on_a_new_package.2C_how_can_I_build_it_without_adding_it_to_nixpkgs.3F
<LilleCarl> colemickens: I do have a package that i intend to upstream. https://pastebin.com/9uxaFf4a Here's the diff of where i'm at right now. But when i run nix-build . -A stremio i get
<LilleCarl> error: attribute 'stremio' in selection path 'stremio' not found
<energizer> roobs: you might have more luck posting on discourse
<LilleCarl> I've been staring myself blind at other packages for quite awhile now
<stevenroose> LilleCarl: I'm not running NixOS as my main machine, I'm trying to get this into a server impl
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #106106 → python37Packages.avro-python3: 1.10.0 -> 1.10.1 → https://git.io/JIWd7
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<lukegb> LilleCarl: if this is a diff of nixpkgs, then you'll need to add your new package to top-level/all-packages.nix (or whatever it's called) as well
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<roobs> energizer: thanks, I will
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<LilleCarl> lukegb: Goshdarn, I've been searching "handbrake" in github https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/search?q=handbrake but it doesn't include that file in search results for some reason. Should've grepped :p
<lukegb> yeah, most search things don't do a good job of indexing that file because it's humongous
<lukegb> I think sourcegraph omits it too
<LilleCarl> Handbrake was just a reference package to see wth i've done wrong
<lukegb> also it's in a "random" "order"
<LilleCarl> Thanks for the tip, now back to nixing
<LilleCarl> I might not disturb you all more today, kinda bedtime. But i'll sure be back tomorrow :p
<LilleCarl> lukegb: Is there any supposed order in that file or just insert wherever? For PR's sake
<lukegb> I think there's a comment somewhere that says they're in a grouping
<lukegb> some of them are actually inside another attrset which you probably don't want
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @sternenseemann opened pull request #106107 → ocamlPackages.opam-file-format: 2.0.0 -> 2.1.1 → https://git.io/JIWFw
<stevenroose> lukegb: hmm wait, so where does the callPackage go? let's say I have just a top-level ./configuration.nix
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #106108 → python37Packages.azure-keyvault-keys: 4.3.0 -> 4.3.1 → https://git.io/JIWF1
<colemickens> stevenroose: there's three pieces, there's the package, the nixos module that needs to reference the package, and your end user config that needs to reference probably just the module.
<lukegb> stevenroose: e.g. you can do `environment.systemPackages = with pkgs; [ (callPackage /foo/bar/baz.nix {}) ];`
<lukegb> oh, I'll let colemickens answer :P
<colemickens> lukegb: I think stevenroose wants a systemd service as well though
<lukegb> ahhhh
<stevenroose> oh I can do that inside the module definition?
<colemickens> yeah!
<gentauro> xmonad wants me to use `X11-1.9.2`, but current `libX11` is `libX11-1.6.12`. How do I upgrade to 1.9?
<stevenroose> yeah I have a module definition
<stevenroose> where I do the service
<stevenroose> ok so I can just do the `environment.systemPackages = with pkgs; [ (callPackage /foo/bar/baz.nix {}) ];` inside the module?
<gentauro> it's in my /etc/nixos/configuration.nix
<colemickens> remember the waybar module I linked that had the systemd service?
<stevenroose> colemickens: yeah I saw. but that one didn't add the pkg
<colemickens> where it says "pkgs.waybar" that's it referencing the package, so you could put "${(callPackage /foo/bar/baz.nix {})}" in there instead.
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<colemickens> or pkgs.callPackage, but you get the idea, hopefully
<stevenroose> colemickens: hmm, ok I understand that :) so what is a normal place to "append to pkgs"?
<colemickens> stevenroose: okay, so if you want to do multiple things, like reference the package in a systemd definition AND add it to system packages..
<stevenroose> would `pkgs.myPkgs = pkgs.callPackage "..." {};` work? inside configuration.nix?
<colemickens> stevenroose: uh, let's hold off.
<stevenroose> k k, I'll shut up and listen :)
<colemickens> stevenroose: I think it'd be better to have your module automatically install it in the system. I didn't realize you wanted that earlier :)
<colemickens> so in your module, you'd start it out with `let mypkg = pkgs.callPackage /your/pkg.nix; in ...` and then you could do `env.sysPacakges = [ mypkg ];` AND you can use ${mypkg} in place of ${pkgs.waybar} in the waybar example.
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<stevenroose> ooh k yeah that makes sense
<colemickens> stevenroose: so that makes a reference to your custom package (`mypkg`) and then uses it in two different ways, one to install a system package for all users, and the other to setup a systemd service however you configure.
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #106110 → pulseeffects: 4.8.2 -> 4.8.3 → https://git.io/JIWbl
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<stevenroose> nice, it's fun that it doesn't actually have to be in env.sysPackages in order to be used in a service :)
<colemickens> yes, that's a key observation
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<stevenroose> it just needs to "exist"
<pumpy> when you boot into installer CLI how can you change port ssh is running on?
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<stevenroose> colemickens: ok I think I can make progress from here! thanks a ton!
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #106111 → python37Packages.aniso8601: 8.0.0 -> 8.1.0 → https://git.io/JIWAv
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #106112 → python37Packages.cloudflare: 2.8.13 -> 2.8.14 → https://git.io/JIWA7
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @roberth opened pull request #106113 → bolt: Disable atime tests → https://git.io/JIWxL
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<matthewcroughan> delroth: where's your derivation?
<matthewcroughan> for parsec
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<Wulfsta> So how do I go back to managing my user's firefox extensions manually?
<Wulfsta> Also why was this changed?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #106114 → python37Packages.cocotb: 1.3.2 -> 1.4.0 → https://git.io/JIWxb
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @matthewbauer opened pull request #106115 → Improve static Nix Darwin support → https://git.io/JIWht
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @AmineChikhaoui closed pull request #101189 → gcc9: add patches required for target musl → https://git.io/JT0J7
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #106117 → python37Packages.click-help-colors: 0.8 -> 0.9 → https://git.io/JIWjd
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<{^_^}> Channel nixos-20.09 advanced to https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/99f8282a658 (from 31 hours ago, history: https://channels.nix.gsc.io/nixos-20.09)
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @andir opened pull request #106118 → qt5: 5.15.0 -> 5.15.2 → https://git.io/JIleJ
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @cdepillabout merged pull request #106084 → haskellPackages.pandoc-include-code: Jailbreak → https://git.io/JIWBi
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @cdepillabout pushed 2 commits to haskell-updates: https://git.io/JIlvm
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<andi-> Wulfsta: questionable how it works and why it was done the way it was done. Super rushed IMHO. Switched to qutebrowser now. Maybe less mainstream thus less people randomly breaking packages.
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @ishan9299 closed pull request #105970 → [WIP] Wayfire package. → https://git.io/JIZ3l
<{^_^}> [nix] @matthewbauer opened pull request #4320 → Support statically built Nix on Darwin → https://git.io/JIlfU