<ldlework>
i will start to try to get people who I successfully evangelize to follow up with their experiences
<ldlework>
so that i can compile that information to have something a bit more than my impressions to report
<samueldr>
as for nix_os_ (not nix/nixpkgs) I have a friend with whom I will schedule soon an installation party (yay) with the express goal of looking over their shoulder where they fail
<samueldr>
(kinda middle-ground linux experience)
<infinisil>
Maybe this lack of documentation comes from the fact that #nixos has been very successful
<samueldr>
it probably helps that *at least* the community is positive and helpful
<samueldr>
I shudder at the thought of a nixos where the community is "RTFM noob"
<infinisil>
Hmm I guess
<infinisil>
But I'd like to link to the manual more often
<samueldr>
I still try :)
<infinisil>
There's things I just gotten to know by listening in on #nixos but couldn't find it anywhere in the docs
<gchristensen>
same
<samueldr>
part of "not knowing what's known but not written down"
<gchristensen>
samueldr++ (wrt rtfm noobs)
<samueldr>
no, DON'T rtfm noobs ;)
<ldlework>
I want to say that #nixos is amazing
<samueldr>
(I always feel bad when linking a manual entry to someone new in case they think I'm merely RTFMing)
<ldlework>
I've been on Freenode for 15 years and #nixos is top-shelf with regard to how deep the help goes :)
<infinisil>
15 years? damn
<infinisil>
I've only been here since I first started with Nix, which was like 16 months ago
<gchristensen>
ldlework: same! (13yr) and #nixos' support and community is totally what drgged me in to the deep end. iirc my first week I was invited to fly to CA to represent NixOS at some Linux con :D
<ldlework>
hehe
* infinisil
closes his IRC client, because he can't learn anything while being distracted constantly by it
<ldlework>
gchristensen: i remember when i first started learning nix, infinisil basically spent multiple hours each day for like three weeks just giving me a workshop in nix and nixlang
<ldlework>
he basically single handedly taught me everything I needed to get going
<infinisil>
Heh :P
<ldlework>
other people contributed too, but i specifically remember infinisil going wayyyyyyyy out his way
<infinisil>
Knowledge gets passed along. I remember clever and some other people teaching me lots on IRC :D
<clever>
and if anything happens to overwrite it, it just goes along with the value
<clever>
gchristensen: and now a completely empty 5gig fidk image causes nix-daemon to horde cpu, as it checks it for references and updates the $out hash
<gchristensen>
ugghhh haha
<clever>
i could probably perform a DoS against ofborg by just running `truncate -s 10T` in a build :P
<clever>
> lkl.meta.description
<{^_^}>
"The Linux kernel as a library"
<clever>
oh, nice, make-disk-image is using this to mount ext4 in userland
<clever>
but it probably wont like zfs
<gchristensen>
you could, that is why known users and trusted users are a thing :)
<gchristensen>
ofborg isn't resistant to abuse
<clever>
yeah
<clever>
and the unmentional thing ive PM'd before, lol
<gchristensen>
:)
<clever>
why am i even mentioning it? lol
<clever>
gchristensen: i'm guessing aws is still not using efi anywhere?
<clever>
except maybe one of the new larger types that ive heard had nvme troubles?
<gchristensen>
oh no idea, I've not seriously used AWS since I started using Packet :)
<clever>
are the packet images ext4 or zfs?
<gchristensen>
they were ZFS for a while but I switched them back to ext4 to match how Packet normally deploys
<clever>
ah
<gchristensen>
but it doesn't use disk images like AWS does, so i don't have a make-disk-image which would be helpful for you:)
<clever>
The ZFS modules are not loaded.
<clever>
ok, now to convince runInLinuxVM to load zfs...
<clever>
gchristensen: it also does not support out-of-tree modules!
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<clever>
insmod: can't insert '/nix/store/7ybbcm0d1cqb39pjxjq4w57ssjyn18gy-kernel-modules-shrunk/lib/modules/4.14.54/extra/zfs/zfs.ko.xz': unknown symbol in module or invalid parameter
<clever>
[ 0.243436] zfs: Unknown symbol zfs_ratelimit (err 0)
<clever>
ah
<clever>
zfs needs spl, which is in its own derivation